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Postby guest » Sat Jul 17, 2004 9:26 am

i wish to grow some garlic with my roses to keep the bugs away but not sure which sort to get i cant find any seed either is there a garlic called "elephant garlic" i may have got the name wrong but it seems they are 2m high and flowers like saucers. :roll:
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Postby ian » Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:38 am

Lesley

Welcome to the Forum! I'm not all that familar with Elephant Garlic (A. ampeloprasum) other than it is big as you say and that it actually more closely related to leeks than garlic even though it grows like true garlic. Because of this I am not sure if it would be as effective as a pest repellent as true garlic - maybe someone else has grown it and knows how potent it is :?:
Regular garlic is readily available but I don't know a source for elephant garlic of hand.
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Postby daff » Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:25 pm

Garlic is grown from garlic cloves.
So buy yourself a whole garlic, break it into cloves and plant pointy side UP in the ground. :lol:
Allium giganteum (giant garlic) is readily available from a range of mail order nurseries in Autumn as garlic is usually planted in Autumn.
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Postby Moderators Team » Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:47 am

Normal garlic is available at the moment here http://www.gardenexpress.com.au/other-produce-plants/.

Allium giganteum is available in the BE Autumn catalogue along with the other ornamental alliums. A. giganteum tends to be slightly taller than Elephant garlic with a more ornamental flower but both can be beneficial when grown near roses. :D
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Postby Luzy » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:14 pm

Hi Ben,

I reckon you should put the garlic in, though I hope you've got cloves rather than seeds as garlic seeds are supposed to be infertile. In Melbourne-type areas, the cloves should go in late autumn/early winter so a good root system develops but there's nothing wrong with a spring planting - the bulbs might just be a bit smaller, that's all. You can still eat them and they still taste great.

Ian's right in saying that Elephant Garlic is closer to leeks than garlic, but it's definitely garlic! It's got a heap of other names, including Russian Garlic and Giant Garlic. I've never gotten mine to grow to two metres, rather a bit taller then when leeks go to seed. The flower head is big but, again, like a big leek flower.

The best bit is the mature bulb - the cloves are few but HUGE :shock: :shock: I find that the flavour is a mild garlic-taste that tends not to be as strong "the day after" - doesn't linger as much on breath or skin. The individual cloves can get so big you can slice them like onions, or better still roast the whole lot - just eat in big chunks! It also grows a bit differently to other garlics as it produces tiny bulbs (which are actually the cloves :? ) that take a year or two to produce the nice big chunky bits (that are :? called "rounds" - the best bits to eat). Anyway, it's a great garlic to grow and probably just as good as keeping bugs away as any other allium-type thing. Just keep your gardening gloves ready to squash those bugs that love roses with garlic! :D
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Postby Luzy » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:53 pm

Hi Ben, unless it's realy, really , really special garlic, put it all in and get more for autumn. Although, you might have some spare from your spring planting to put in next autumn... :D Eat some, save some - you know :D
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Postby Luzy » Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:41 pm

Better get heaps more Ben, and plant it all around the chook pen to keep the council inspectors out - how's all that going? :wink:
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Postby kitkat » Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:31 pm

A note on supermarket garlic. Those lovely clean looking white garlic cloves are from China and are treated before importation so they won't grow....which can be a big disappointment, so make sure you use GE bulbs or source some organic ones from friends.
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Postby gardenlen » Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:20 am

g'day ben,

garlic is best planted around the end of march no later than the beginning of april, for the lunar folk supposed to be planted on the night of the full moon in march.

it needs a long time in the ground to grow and mature mine won't get picked until maybe october or if we get an early wet season. all mine went in in the last 2 weeks of march (around full moon time - having an each way bet hey).

with your late planting you may have to replant those bulbs again next season to get them to full size. yes that chinese junk has the roots burnt off with co2 and it's irrigated with polluted water can't imagine why anyone would want to eat it but up here in sth/east qld the import stuff has put the local growers out of business.

i managed to scrounge enough material from the soft & hardneck varieties to get about 500 or so plants. checked prices and back in june i think retail for organic garlic in sydney was $35 per kilo wholesale here in qld was $25, the only organic produce seller up this way only ahs that chinese stuff on teh shelf.

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Postby Sam » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:02 am

If anyone knows where to get non-imported garlic in Queensland, I'd appreciate it. The imported stuff is also bleached, to make it more appealing.

We just love garlic and find it really frustrating that we haven't been able to grow it!

I make garlic soup - it takes about 60 cloves. Vampires don't come near us.
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Postby Luzy » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:16 am

Hi Sam,

Have a look at http://www.garlicfarmsales.com.au. Don't kow the ins and outs of it but you can search by garlic variety and types for different climates. :)
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Postby Sam » Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:08 pm

Will look up and post in the next couple of days, Ben.

Apparently the local garlic market has been priced out by the imports, but will keep searching.
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Postby gardenlen » Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:14 pm

hey sam,

bleached probably to kill the pathogens from their irrigation water.

when we harvest ours if we are still here or you are nearby we could maybe pass some to you for you to start your self-sufficient garlis patch.

or maybe you could go to our front page at our site and look down toward the bottom for a seed and plant exchange forum run by kurt at yahoo groups you could also raise some material from there.

anything you get now will have to be stored until next march.

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Postby Sam » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:09 am

Len,

That would be absolutely fantastic!

Thanks very much,

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Postby gardenlen » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:44 pm

g'day sam,

ok save my e/mail addies check back with me around october at this stage they aren't showing signs of maturing yet, my memory is such i may foget where i chatted but will try and remember.

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Postby Sam » Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:53 pm

Garlic Soup - serves 8

2 tblsp olive oil
60 cloves garlic, peeled
8 cups beef stock (home made, pref, or use the tetra pack)
1 bouquet garni (I use whatever herbs are to hand)
pinch of grated nutmeg
1 blade mace
6 egg yolks
1 baguette
parsley and grated parmesan cheese to serve

Heat oil and add garlic cloves. Saute without browning for 10 minutes.

Stir in stock and add bouquet garni, natmet, mace. Bring to boil, cover and simmer for at least 30 minutes.

Blend egg yolks with 4 tablespoons of soup. Strain remaining soup and return to the pan. Bring to the boil, then remove from heat. Set aside for 2 minutes.

Meanwhile, slice baguette and toast. Place in individual soup bowls.

Pour egg yolk mixture into soup, stirring constantly. Ladle into the bowls and serve at once, garnished with chopped parsley. Hand the Parmesan cheese separately.

HINT: don't throw the garlic away - I find my friends and family love eating the whole cloves.

Good luck - let me know how you go with it. As you might guess from this, we do love garlic. I also make a garlic souffle and have found a restaurant in San Francisco that specialises in it - the Stinking Rose. There I had garlic wine and garlic ice cream. And yes, it was delicious.
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Postby kitkat » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:02 pm

Re irrigation the Chinese way. I lived for a year and half in a country town in China and they still have roadside community toilets that are fed directly to the vegetables....or into pits where they dip it out into buckets across their shoulders and then use a dipper on a bamboo pole to give each plant a feed. Pollution is causing a lot of problems though. Plastics and sanitary products are now clogging up the waterways..where once just bamboo and reeds were recycled now plastic has replaced it ...its an enormous problem as there are no garbage services available at all so all rubish is just thrown out on the river banks, roadsides, creeks and empty land...sad really.
That said I must say that the vegetable tasted great and it in no affected my health to eat them every day......after all the Chinese have been producing this way for 6000 years...modern pollution may change all that......all people buy fresh daily as they have no refrigerators as we do....there is a market in every village and many in bigger towns where farmers trundle their veg by cart or bike into the market area and sit down and sell ...just like that..start at 6 am and go until 6pm with a sleep at lunchtime...its not unusual to see traders asleep on their vegie mat at lunchtime :P If any one is interested I have lots of pics of my time there ...the markets and the farmers at work ..I was snap happy and took over 700 pics. :lol:
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Postby Luzy » Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:47 pm

I'm really :? :? about some of the garlic that I have growing. I have one patch of elephant garlic growing that I have saved from year to year, it's about 18 inches high (except the little bulbs) with a nice grey/green colour. Literally one foot away, I have a patch of newly (this year) bought Russian garlic (same dog in my book) that is about 12 inches high but with grey/green foliage striped with yellow - that sickly sort of look :cry: . Any ideas on this one?
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Postby Kerrie » Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:07 pm

I wasn't aware that garlic would grow well in Qld - I heard of someone trying year after year, but they could only grow small bulbs, not big plump ones. Does this only apply for FNQ, or for Southern Qld as well?
Curious minds want to know!

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Postby gardenlen » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:30 pm

g'day kerrie,

yes garlic grows very well in qld lots o farmers used to grow it until that chinese junk came in, it needs to be grown from late march thru until late spring but. mine are still in the ground grrowing when the wet arrive i will then have to pull them fully developed or not.

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